Blog Entry

Barry Alvarez to talk to Delany about Meyer

Posted on: February 2, 2012 6:08 pm
  •  
 
Posted by Tom Fornelli

Earlier on Thursday we went over the first stage of lost recruit grief when writing about how Wisconsin's Bret Bielema and Michigan State's Mark Dantonio were upset with Urban Meyer and his recruiting tactics.

Well, we've now reached the second stage: run to the principal's office.

Apparently airing his grievances wasn't enough for Bielema, as the Sporting News' Matt Hayes wrote on Thursday night that Wisconsin athletic director Barry Alvarez would be talking to Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany about Meyer on Friday in Chicago.

“We at the Big Ten don’t want to be like the SEC -- in any way, shape or form," Bielema told Hayes.

The jokes are just too easy with that remark, even if Bielema was only referring to recruiting.

Honestly, though, what else can you do but laugh at all of this? These are supposed to be grown men, yet they're acting more immaturely than the high school kids they're fighting over to begin with.

You don't want Urban Meyer or any other coach coming in to "steal" your recruits, then recruit the kid harder. Sell him on your program so hard that when Meyer does come around that kid will tell him "no thanks." Don't go running to your conference commissioner and hope he'll force Meyer to stop so it makes your job easier.

Either that or just take your ball and go home. None of the other kids are going to want to play with you anyway.

Keep up with the latest college football news from around the country. From the opening kick of the year all the way through the offseason, CBSSports.com has you covered with this daily newsletter. View a preview.

Get CBSSports.com College Football updates on Facebook 
  •  
Comments

Since: Nov 24, 2009
Posted on: February 6, 2012 10:34 am
 

Barry Alvarez to talk to Delany about Meyer

DikRod was identified as a Snake Oil Saleman from the very beginning. Nothing about him surprises anyone. You are right. Darth Meyer is not as slimy as DikRod.



Well said..You wonder why very little of the fan based embraced him. The GIMMICK spread rarely works in B1G.





Since: Aug 24, 2010
Posted on: February 6, 2012 10:24 am
 

Barry Alvarez to talk to Delany about Meyer

As a Badgers Alum, we went to back to back Rose Bowls despite loosing them but this crying has no merit. So we lost one recruit with SEC recruiting tactics. So what. We never recruit in the top twenty and the system of developing recruits that Alverez started is how the Badgers have made Rose Bowls with wins and losses in them. 



Since: Nov 17, 2007
Posted on: February 6, 2012 10:18 am
 

Barry Alvarez to talk to Delany about Meyer

"Until Darth Meyer arrived, the B1G Ten coaches did not poach on each other"  Rodriguez was calling our recruits until signing day.  You're an idiot.
DikRod was identified as a Snake Oil Saleman from the very beginning. Nothing about him surprises anyone. You are right. Darth Meyer is not as slimy as DikRod.



Since: Nov 17, 2007
Posted on: February 6, 2012 10:17 am
 

Barry Alvarez to talk to Delany about Meyer

Why did Kyle Dobson take a visit to Michigan State?  He was already "commited" to Wisconsin, I thought Dantonio had this personal honor?  Was he just checking out the weather or was Dantonio trying to get him to flip his commit?  That's what I thought!
Dobson visited MSU in January long after Darth Meyer called him (as early as December 5).

The coaching changes and Meyer's call already had Dobson considering a different school long before MSU coaches talked to him. For all you know, Dobson called MSU.

Big difference. 



Since: Feb 3, 2012
Posted on: February 3, 2012 7:50 pm
 

Barry Alvarez to talk to Delany about Meyer

"Until Darth Meyer arrived, the B1G Ten coaches did not poach on each other"  Rodriguez was calling our recruits until signing day.  You're an idiot.



Since: Aug 29, 2006
Posted on: February 3, 2012 1:45 pm
 

Barry Alvarez to talk to Delany about Meyer

FrownSounds like whining and name calling to me.



Since: Aug 29, 2011
Posted on: February 3, 2012 11:37 am
 

Barry Alvarez to talk to Delany about Meyer

Why did Kyle Dobson take a visit to Michigan State? He was already "commited" to Wisconsin, I thought Dantonio had this personal honor? Was he just checking out the weather or was Dantonio trying to get him to flip his commit? That's what I thought!



Since: Nov 17, 2007
Posted on: February 3, 2012 11:07 am
 

Barry Alvarez to talk to Delany about Meyer

"So the Big 10 (twelve?) has a gentleman's agreement not to poach each other's commits?  You mean except when there is a coaching change like Penn State?  Or how about all the kids that commit to MAC schools, then get discovered by the Big 10 schools, and change there committment when the better offer finally comes?  Is it okay to take them from other conferences, both big and small, but not okay when its a school in your own conference?  And the difference is?  What?  That's right, no difference.  And the MAC school that did all the work to scout and recruit just to see them lose a recruit when the Big 10 school scours their recruitment boards and puts the big push on to steal their best commits?  Where is the integrity in this case?"
 
You obviously missed the point. It is a matter of who calls who. Post a list of MAC recruits that were CALLED FIRST by B1G Ten coaches before they changed their minds.
-----
 
"And that doesn't even begin to touch the integrity of the kids and their families when they make a verbal committment, but are still going on recruiting visits.  The only reason that happens is they are either looking for a better offer, or are poaching off the resources of the school who invited them to get the "freebies and fun" that go along with a recruiting visit. And the school that invites them on a visit, even though they are committed elsewhere---they don't expect something in return?"
 
First, kids often go to other schools on official visits just to get the vacation. It happens. They are taking advantage of the system. Ethical? Probably not, but the onus is on the kids, not the coaches.
 
Second, a school that invites a kid for a visit AFTER the verbal commitment has been made is just as immoral and unethical as when a coach initiates first contact with a VC'd recruit. If the invitation was in place prior to the recruit making a VC, then the onus falls back on the recruit.
 
So, provide a list of B1G Ten schools that offered visits to recruits that were already committed along with those recruits.
-----
 
"Bottom line...no matter who you are, your job in recruiting is not done until you have the ink on that National Letter of Intent.  The best coaches in the country know that.  They may like or hate the system, but they know how it works.  I haven't even discussed other practices like the one Saban has made famous, the oversigning of a class....a slimy practice if their ever was one."
 
I take it you aare one of those who believes the only thing that is important is winning. Sportsmanship and fair play be damned, eh?
-----
 
"These 17 and 18 year old kids are made to feel like kings in their athletic lives, and recruiting only plays further on it.  They are not fully mature yet.  And neither are some of the guys recruiting them."
 
We agree to both points. Some of those guys include Darth Meyer and Nick Saban.
-----
 
And that is the system...and the rules right now.  Until the rules change (and I don't see a change coming anytime soon as long as the biggest boys in the room are writing them), you can't be naive.  There is no room for naivity in the game of recruiting, for coaches, programs, and most importantly, the players.
 
Naivity? Well, that could be another way of saying no honor among theives.
 
While it is true that the rules are what they are, their are also rules about standards of behavior, ethical conduct, moral behavior, and fair play. Most States have laws making verbal contracts (a verbal commitment is a contract) binding. Unfortunately, most litigations of verbal contracts fail to uphold them.
 
Until Darth Meyer arrived, the B1G Ten coaches did not poach on each other and I doubt there was much poaching of recruits from other conferences (I have no data to prove or disprove).
 
Now we are entering a new era, one of open ranch warfare. Wonderful.



Since: Nov 17, 2006
Posted on: February 3, 2012 10:55 am
 

Barry Alvarez to talk to Delany about Meyer

Ohio kids are just more likely to stay home.  Bielema, Ferentz and the Minnesota and Illinois coach of the week are dreading the day when the St. Louis kids realize their state school is in the big boy conference and Pennsylvania kids  will have a choice of road trips to Florida or the simple pleasure of showering without old men in the shadows.



Since: Oct 2, 2006
Posted on: February 3, 2012 10:51 am
 

Barry Alvarez to talk to Delany about Meyer

So the Big 10 (twelve?) has a gentleman's agreement not to poach each other's commits?  You mean except when there is a coaching change like Penn State?  Or how about all the kids that commit to MAC schools, then get discovered by the Big 10 schools, and change there committment when the better offer finally comes?  Is it okay to take them from other conferences, both big and small, but not okay when its a school in your own conference?  And the difference is?  What?  That's right, no difference.  And the MAC school that did all the work to scout and recruit just to see them lose a recruit when the Big 10 school scours their recruitment boards and puts the big push on to steal their best commits?  Where is the integrity in this case?

And that doesn't even begin to touch the integrity of the kids and their families when they make a verbal committment, but are still going on recruiting visits.  The only reason that happens is they are either looking for a better offer, or are poaching off the resources of the school who invited them to get the "freebies and fun" that go along with a recruiting visit.  And the school that invites them on a visit, even though they are committed elsewhere---they don't expect something in return? 

Bottom line...no matter who you are, your job in recruiting is not done until you have the ink on that National Letter of Intent.  The best coaches in the country know that.  They may like or hate the system, but they know how it works.  I haven't even discussed other practices like the one Saban has made famous, the oversigning of a class....a slimy practice if their ever was one.

These 17 and 18 year old kids are made to feel like kings in their athletic lives, and recruiting only plays further on it.  They are not fully mature yet.  And neither are some of the guys recruiting them. 

And that is the system...and the rules right now.  Until the rules change (and I don't see a change coming anytime soon as long as the biggest boys in the room are writing them), you can't be naive.  There is no room for naivity in the game of recruiting, for coaches, programs, and most importantly, the players.



The views expressed in this blog are solely those of the author and do not reflect the views of CBS Sports or CBSSports.com