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Big Ten head coaches already upset with Meyer

Posted on: February 2, 2012 3:31 pm
Edited on: February 2, 2012 8:36 pm
 
Posted by Tom Fornelli

It appears that the grace period for new coaches in the Big Ten lasts for 65 days or only one National Signing Day. That's how long it took for fellow Big Ten coaches to publicly speak about being upset with new Ohio State head coach Urban Meyer.

Not surprisingly, the complaints from Wisconsin's Bret Bielema and Michigan State's Mark Dantonio are related to Meyer's recruiting tactics. Particularly the part where he just shows up, swoops in and then causes recruits to suddenly change their minds and flock to Columbus.

“There are a few things that happened early on that I made people aware of that I didn’t want to see in this league, that I had seen take place in other leagues,” said Bielema on Wednesday. “Other recruiting tactics, other recruiting practices that are illegal. 

“I was very up front and was very pointed to the fact, actually reached out to Coach Meyer and shared my thoughts and concerns with him. The situation got rectified.”

Michigan State's Mark Dantonio was a bit more to the point.

"(Ohio State has) a new coach, and it's different," Dantonio told the Detroit News. "I would say it's pretty unethical, in the end." 

It seems that Bielema and Dantonio aren't used to the recruiting tactics Meyer has brought along from his days in the SEC, where the gentlemanly rules of the Big Ten do not exist. It seems SEC coaches know that no commitment means anything until a letter of intent is signed, so the race for any recruit they might want doesn't end before February.

Question the morality of it all you want, but you'll notice the SEC has won the last six national championships while the Big Ten has been rather uninspiring.

Meyer's first class at Ohio State was good enough to finish ranked third in the CBS Sports National Signing Day Top 25. In that class of 24, 10 of the commits didn't come on board until after Meyer became head coach at Ohio State. Of those 10 players, eight had previously given commitments to other school.

Including offensive lineman Kyle Dodson (Wisconsin) and defensive end Se'Von Pittman (Michigan State). Hence the reactions of Bielema and Dantonio. Still, of the other six, four had been committed to Penn State and two to Notre Dame. You don't hear Bill O'Brien or Brian Kelly crying foul about it today.

Not that complaining will do anything to deter Meyer. He's a head coach that realizes in order to build a successful program, not only do you need to have a good coaching staff, but you have to have good players. Players that are found through recruiting.

So whine about how he does all you want, he's seen the fruits of his efforts and has a couple rings to show for it. Nothing anybody can say will change that.

Other Big Ten coaches can either get on board, or run the risk of being left behind.

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Since: Aug 22, 2006
Posted on: February 7, 2012 10:56 am
 

Big Ten head coaches already upset with Meyer

....maybe a guy like Chris Peterson. I don't care how much talent Muschamp gets....UF will always have talent just like FSU did this year...you still have to be able to coach it.  UF has no offense and no direction.  UF won't sniff a NC for many years.  FSU will win one before UF ever does again.  I love when a Gator fan calls ND irrelevant.   That shows insecurity.
As Clint Eastwood said," A man has to know his limitations."  Muschamp is a defensive guy.  He is hyperactive, but he does know how to delegate the offense.  Unfortunately, last year, Weis had no idea what to do with small, quick backs in a pro- set formation.  Brantley only got to throw on third and long.  It was a fiasco.  Now, Weis is gone, and it's ironic you mention Peterson, because we just hired his offensive coordinator to take over for Weis. 



Since: Sep 21, 2009
Posted on: February 6, 2012 2:16 pm
 

Big Ten head coaches already upset with Meyer

"Seriously, can someone point to a program in the last 30 years where the head coach has been shown to slip some a couple grand to a player, or authorize an assitant to do so?"

Yes, I can name one head coach right off the bat that has done this. Not a football coach, but a basketball coach: Jim O'Brien at Ohio State. 

O'Brien gave Serbian recruit Alex Radojevic $6,000.00, supposedly as a loan that could be paid back once the player started earning professional salaries. At the time, this recruit was wating for the NCAA to grant him elligibility, as he had earlier signed a contract with a pro team in Europe but never played for them. While Radojevic was waiting for clearance from the NCAA, supposedly his mother was struggling with health and financial issues, and he was on the verge of going pro again to help his family, and then O'Brien arranged for the money to be sent. O'Brien of course got caught, got fired, won a wrongful termination lawsuit, and got blackballed from the NCAA, resulting in Thad Matta taking his place at OSU.




Since: Aug 5, 2008
Posted on: February 4, 2012 6:57 pm
 

Big Ten head coaches already upset with Meyer

osubucki1, are you willing to bet a year's salary that no rules were broken by Meyer? As for your premise about nothing illegal until the kid signs - so that's when Meyer slips them a few grand? I should have known to go to an OSU fan to find out just how this cheating stuff works.
It's this type of thing that is just idiotic. Really, here is a coach who just signed a multi-million dollar contract. And you honestly think he is going to slip some immature, moron football player a few grand. Because we all know the football player won't tell anyone. So, Meyer is going to put his reputation and financial future in the hands of a teenager. I hate Urban Cryer, and I don't like OSU at all, so him going there let's me kill two birds with one stone without taking up any leftover hate I can use for my SEC teams. But, the idiocy on this board knows no bounds when you read something like this.

The money changing hands thing used to happen, but that has been cleared up for the most part. If it happens, it is almost always going to be alumni, not coaches doing it. Seriously, can someone point to a program in the last 30 years where the head coach has been shown to slip some a couple grand to a player, or authorize an assitant to do so? There may be one or two, but this isn't the way the cheating goes on.

You are probably an envious Michigan or Notre Dame fan.




Since: Oct 13, 2006
Posted on: February 3, 2012 6:32 pm
 

Big Ten head coaches already upset with Meyer

Yeah LadyFanatic....I'm sure you "hated" Meyer when he was winning those 2 NC's.   I told all of my Gator fan friends that he was a jerk, and that his offense was gimmicky long before he quit on you.  I give Tebow all the credit in the world.  They won soley because of him.  To me....he's the greatest college football player ever...but I'll argue til the day I die that the Rocket was the most electrifying player ever...he played running back, WR, and returned all punts and kicks.  Holtz was a trendsetter in using that guy for everything and paved the way for the likes of guys like Percy Harvin.  That all being said...I said Meyer was bad news from the start and I never heard any Gator fans bitching when he was winning and guys were being arrested (and somehow all defended by the same lawyer and never getting in any trouble).  The minute he leaves...he's this and he's that.  At least as a Domer fan, I admit BK is a total A-hole and said he was terrible from the get go...I can't stand the guy even if they have stockpiled a lot of talent under him.  I don't like his tactics or his lack of discipline and from what I saw of Muschamp's sideline act this year, you can throw him in with the likes of Mike Stoops, Bo Pelini, Brian Kelly, and Lane Kiffin.  Cry babies and tyrants.  I prefer a coach with some class....maybe a guy like Chris Peterson. I don't care how much talent Muschamp gets....UF will always have talent just like FSU did this year...you still have to be able to coach it.  UF has no offense and no direction.  UF won't sniff a NC for many years.  FSU will win one before UF ever does again.  I love when a Gator fan calls ND irrelevant.   That shows insecurity.




Since: Oct 13, 2006
Posted on: February 3, 2012 6:30 pm
 

Big Ten head coaches already upset with Meyer

Yeah LadyFanatic....I'm sure you "hated" Meyer when he was winning those 2 NC's.   I told all of my Gator fan friends that he was a jerk, and that his offense was gimmicky long before he quit on you.  I give Tebow all the credit in the world.  They won soley because of him.  To me....he's the greatest college football player ever...but I'll argue til the day I die that the Rocket was the most electrifying player ever...he played running back, WR, and returned all punts and kicks.  Holtz was a trendsetter in using that guy for everything and paved the way for the likes of guys like Percy Harvin.  That all being said...I said Meyer was bad news from the start and I never heard any Gator fans bitching when he was winning and guys were being arrested (and somehow all defended by the same lawyer and never getting in any trouble).  The minute he leaves...he's this and he's that.  At least as a Domer fan, I admit BK is a total A-hole and said he was terrible from the get go...I can't stand the guy even if they have stockpiled a lot of talent under him.  I don't like his tactics or his lack of discipline and from what I saw of Muschamp's sideline act this year, you can throw him in with the likes of Mike Stoops, Bo Pelini, Brian Kelly, and Lane Kiffin.  Cry babies and tyrants.  I prefer a coach with some class....maybe a guy like Chris Peterson. I don't care how much talent Muschamp gets....UF will always have talent just like FSU did this year...you still have to be able to coach it.  UF has no offense and no direction.  UF won't sniff a NC for many years.  FSU will win one before UF ever does again.  I love when a Gator fan calls ND irrelevant.   That shows insecurity.




Since: Jan 18, 2007
Posted on: February 3, 2012 4:33 pm
 

Big Ten head coaches already upset with Meyer

"The basic concept of everything that Obama does is to taxe those who work to pay for the basic needs of those who dont."

This is how it has always been, friend.  That is what a welfare state is, and the United States has always been one.  Here's another fact:  The effective tax rate for the wealthy is the lowest since the Great Depression.  Is it coincidence we have a crappy economy?

Here's a last bit of truth for you:  the average salary for the middle-class hasn't increased since 1993.  Meanwhile, the average upper class salary has increased by 10 to 300(!) times since the 1970s.  But you're right, it's all Obama's fault.  Another stooge who gets his info from Glenn Beck, huh?

The United States has ALWAYS been a welfare state, and that's the exact definition I just quoted you on.  Somehow, in the last three years, people seem to think that is socialism, and ignore the previous 230 years.   It never ceases to amaze me.

In other news, this is a football story.  =)



Since: Dec 30, 2006
Posted on: February 3, 2012 3:33 pm
 

Big Ten head coaches already upset with Meyer

Yes because the only solid counter argument you could make was noticing a typo (look at your keyboard) "e" right above "d" but great debate skills, classic Mich. edumacation. Laughing



Since: Mar 23, 2007
Posted on: February 3, 2012 3:05 pm
 

Big Ten head coaches already upset with Meyer

And his success is based on the fact that "He's a head coach that realizes in order to build a successful program...  you have to have good players."  Really? Wow, what a revelation!  Shhhh!  Don't let that secret out to other coaches.

Okay, that astute observation aside, let's take a look at the overall theme.
Forget ethics.  Win at all cost.  Is that how it should work?    So, what's next- payments to recruits, cars, no work jobs...  Hey, "either get on board, or run the risk of being left behind."

With that kind of thinking, it's no wonder programs end up in trouble.




Since: Sep 29, 2008
Posted on: February 3, 2012 3:02 pm
 

Big Ten head coaches already upset with Meyer

so·cial·ism

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You're an idiot if you think that every plan that Obama has put into place right now isnt socialism. Who do you think will end up paying for all of the "free stuff' thats been givenaway over the past 3.5 years. Maybe you should read the Health Care Bill or at least some of it ( as it is 2700 pages of how to recover monies to pay for the failing medical system that is supposed to give care to all people). The basic concept of everything that Obama does is to taxe those who work to pay for the basic needs of those who dont.

Thats socialism my friend...



Since: May 13, 2010
Posted on: February 3, 2012 2:38 pm
 

Big Ten head coaches already upset with Meyer

Nitrobuck

You don't sound very smart. Socialist? How about you do some research on Obama, try politifact.com to see if he is a socialist before you spew stupid things out of your mouth. Your racist views are skewing facts, that type of bs is getting old. He is not a socialist dummy, do you know what being a socialist means? Let us try to be honest, stop making up lies about Obama, and just say, I don't like the black guy being president. That is what it is all about!


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