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Gamecock trustee: count cross-division games less

Posted on: January 20, 2012 12:20 pm

Posted by Jerry Hinnen

One South Carolina Board of Trustees member has a proposal to solve the "problem" of his Gamecocks missing out on the 2011 SEC championship game to Georgia, despite beating the Bulldogs head-to-head: make East division games like that one count more than the cross-divisional games that cost Carolina the East title.

That board member, Chuck Allen, recently asked Gamecock athletic director Eric Hyman to request the SEC count intra-divisional games as a full game in the standings and cross-divisional games as only a half-game. If put into practice, the change would have given the 2011 Gamecocks -- 5-0 against the East, but just 1-2 against the West, including a road loss to an Arkansas team Georgia missed -- a trip to Atlanta.

“This (proposal) takes the randomness out of the non-divisional schedule,” Allen told the Anderson (S.C.) Independent Mail. “It doesn’t eliminate it, but it does reduce it. It just seems fair that the team that won all its division games would be the division champ.”

Per Allen, Hyman is expected to pass on the proposal when the SEC convenes to develop a schedule for 2013 and its permanent cross-divisional rotations. Allen (and Hyman) are no doubt just as unhappy with the league's cross-divisional matchups for 2012, though, as they were for 2011, since the projected gap in the difficulty of the Gamecocks' and Bulldogs' respective West opponents has only gotten worse; Carolina will take on the Razorbacks and defending SEC champion LSU (both of which feature in Bruce Feldman's early 2012 top 10) while Georgia gets Auburn and Ole Miss.

“When I talked to (Hyman) his response to me was that he never contemplated it and so he said, ‘Yes, it sounds like a good idea,'" Allen said. "'If you’ll put it in writing (Hyman said), I’ll use it as a vehicle and take it to the conference meeting and we’ll introduce the proposal, argue for it and see what we can do.’”

According to the SEC, though, what the Gamecocks "can do" in the way of overhauling a system that's been in place since the league's 1992 divisional split is "not much." League associate commissioner Charles Bloom said point-blank he does not expect the measure to gain much traction. 

“The philosophy of the league has always been that all conference games are weighted the same,” he told The State newspaper.

We're not unsymapthetic towards Allen and Hyman in this situation; it's not entirely fair that the Gamecocks swept the East and still didn't win the division, and it's not entirely fair they've drawn the Bayou Bengals in the SEC's one-off 2012 schedule while Georgia's hosting the downtrodden Rebels. But our estimate of the number of things in college football that aren't entirely fair checks in at a round 8 bajillion, and we doubt Allen and Hyman are going to ask for all 8 bajillion to be corrected. 

Eventually, inevitably, the league's cross-divisional rotation and West opponent strength will cycle around to give the Gamecocks an edge over the rest of the East, Bulldogs included; will Allen and Hyman still want to make cross-divisional games count less at that point? We seriously doubt it. 

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Since: Aug 29, 2006
Posted on: January 21, 2012 3:35 pm

Gamecock trustee: count cross-division games less

South Carolina has every right to tell the media voters which games count and/or how much it counts.
The SEC "championship" game between UGA vs LSU didn't count; and, SEC "out of conference" games the SEC team loses don't count; like the UGA loss to Boise State.  Hardly any FBS football games count anymore, what's wrong a few more not counting? 

Since: Jan 21, 2012
Posted on: January 21, 2012 2:40 pm

Gamecock trustee: count cross-division games less

  Good idea, awful solution. I think you could kill 2 birds with one stone if the SEC would go to a 10 game conference schedule. You could quieten down(maybe) some of the idiots who complain about the SEC non conference schedule by cutting it to only 2 games. A 10 game schedule would be easy. Play all 6 divisions + 1 permenant opponent from the other division + 3 of the other 6 teams on a 2 year home & home rotation with the other 3 teams. It would still be unbalanced but the odds of having such a lopsided schedule would be a lot less. 

Since: Feb 24, 2010
Posted on: January 21, 2012 1:26 pm

Gamecock trustee: count cross-division games less

The SEC East may have hit its all-time low.  Nowhere to go but up.

Since: Aug 5, 2008
Posted on: January 21, 2012 12:59 am

Gamecock trustee: count cross-division games less

In the name of fairness, this proposal makes perfect sense.  All SEC teams are no created equal, and when one team from the East plays LSU and the other plays Ole Miss, that is quite the disparity in talent and competition.  UGA only won the East last year because they played the easier conference schedule.  I like this proposal, even though I am sure it will not pass.
The reason it won't pass is beacause it is stupid idea. Do you not understand that the strength of schools and divisions wanes and waxes. SC would have loved to have had Bama and LSU on their schedule in the 90s, for the most part. Even in the 00s, there were times when have LSU or Bama on the schedule didn't exactly scare you. Bama averaged 6 losses per year from 2000-2007. LSU lost 4 or more games 4 times in the 00s. And while UGa getting Auburn sounds good today, they won the NC a year ago and had another perfect season in the 00s. Arky may be playing well today, but they averaged 5.5 losses per year in the 00s. Did we hear you whining then? Didn't think so.
The shortsightedness of people on these forums is incredible.

Since: Sep 12, 2007
Posted on: January 20, 2012 7:09 pm

Gamecock trustee: count cross-division games less

Look, I'm a Gamecock fan and have been for over 30 years.  Chuck Allen is an idiot.  Sure is sucks that SC got the short end of the stick again in 2012.  SC plays Arky and LSU and Georgia plays Auby and Ole Miss.  SC is just in the worst of the rotation now.  Georgia will soon be there.  Bottom line is if SC wants to win the East, then they need to win at least one of their intra-divisional games and sweep the East.  Find a way to win.  in 2010, SC beat Bama, who was ranked #1 at the time.  Point is, if they want it bad enough they will beat Arky or LSU or both.  Yeah, I admit that it sucked that SC swept the East, but didn't win the East.  But that's why the games are played.  A team has to do what is needed to win if the want to win.  The SEC has been the same since the divisional split in 1992.  The system has worked ever since.  That's the way it is and I can accept that. 

Oh, and by the way, if you Georgia fans think that if SC went to the SECCG that the outcome would have been the same, think again.  And if you are going to represent the East, make sure you show up and represent.  That first half was pittiful.  And before you try to say anything about the 2010 SECCG, I'll say 2 words, Cam Newton.  Auburn would have slaughtered you guys as well.  I think we matched up better against LSU, though.  We'll never know, since obviously the inferior team represented the East.  Oh well, we'll have to get it right in 2012.  GO GAMECOCKS!!!

Since: Sep 28, 2008
Posted on: January 20, 2012 7:03 pm

Gamecock trustee: count cross-division games less

Ive got a comment for Gamecock fans that comes from there head coach when he was at Florida.  " its not how many games you win as long as you win more than everyone else" check the record.

Since: Mar 9, 2009
Posted on: January 20, 2012 6:47 pm

Gamecock trustee: count cross-division games less

To be the man, you got to beat the man - Ric Flair. Same goes in football. Yeah it sucks having to go to LSU but you know what? What if we win?? Same thrill as it was beating Bama two years ago. As for UGA, we got them in home and they can never stop Lattimore.

Since: Dec 20, 2011
Posted on: January 20, 2012 6:47 pm

Gamecock trustee: count cross-division games less

LSUTiger1978, great ideas! That makes a lot of sense, but I doubt there would be enough support because of the steady revenue generated with the small pushover schools. If those games take a back seat to intra conference, records and alumni support might decline. TV ratings however, would be thru the roof.

Since: May 5, 2008
Posted on: January 20, 2012 6:27 pm

Gamecock trustee: count cross-division games less

try this

all conferences must have 16 teams

all have 2 divisions

all play other 7 in the div and 3 from the other for 10 cof games

div winners play for title

tie breaker-  head to head
 div rec
rec vs common teams

2 free games to play who you like

until all conf has even scheduling too many loopholes...

Since: Aug 7, 2011
Posted on: January 20, 2012 6:18 pm

Gamecock trustee: count cross-division games less

pretty good idea, but it wont pass.

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