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Slive: SEC 'working on' 13 and 14-team schedules

Posted on: October 27, 2011 2:12 pm
Edited on: October 27, 2011 5:34 pm
 
Posted by Jerry Hinnen

Hey, remember three days ago, when we told you that per Georgia athletic director Greg McGarity, the SEC wasn't looking at a 14-team schedule for the 2012 season?

HAHAHA just kidding, folks:


As reported by the Birmingham News's Jon Solomon, yes, that's Mike Slive telling reporters at SEC basketball media days that McGarity was (as the kids say) full of it. (Slive only added that he had nothing else to add.) Since we're pretty sure there's no better source on this than the commissioner himself, it's now safe to assume that Missouri has not been ruled out from competing in the SEC in 2012 and that the league is prepared to make the necessary accomodations if the Tigers want to make the leap as soon as next season.

That, of course, was how Missouri chancellor Brady Deaton had previously described his school's potential jump, saying recently it would be "applicable to the next year."

That assertion has been challenged by everyone from McGarity to Big 12 commissioner Chuck Neinas to plenty of other anonymously sourced reports that have put Mizzou in the SEC in 2013 at the earliest. That makes more sense than the alternative, since the rearranging of 2012 schedules at this late date on both the Big 12's end (with a giant Missouri-sized hole in their slates) and the SEC's would be a logistical nightmare.

But it may be a nightmare both the Tigers and the SEC are willing to deal with, if it means the former dodges a lame-duck final season in the Big 12 and the latter avoids the awkwardness of a 13-team schedule. With Slive now openly admitting for the first time that the SEC is poised to go to 14 teams and the Big 12 actively pursuing the addition of one or more new members, it seems likelier than ever Missouri's defection could become official in a matter of days rather than weeks.

Will that be soon enough to leap through the rapidly-closing 2012 scheduling window? That still seems unlikely, but if Mike Slive himself is open to the possibility, the possibility is no doubt open.



Comments

Since: Dec 8, 2006
Posted on: December 6, 2011 10:20 pm
 

Slive: SEC 'working on' 13 and 14-team schedules

The SEC has ruined college football.



Since: Sep 18, 2006
Posted on: October 29, 2011 12:49 pm
 

Slive: SEC 'working on' 13 and 14-team schedules

It seems interesting that Missouri is begging to get in, then telling you how to run your league.  They want in, but once in, you MUST place them in the west, have yearly match-ups with Arkansas and A&M, move Alabama and Auburn, and believe the the University of Missouri is Gods gift to college athletics.   Not much to ask.

No repercussions is there shocker?  Nice post.

It is even more comical when one looks at how infrequent the games against ARK and TX AM have been over the years.  You'd think they played every year and now all of a sudden one wanted to end that rivalry as would be the case if ALA and AUB moved to the East and VANDY to the West. 

What a joke.



Since: Sep 18, 2006
Posted on: October 29, 2011 12:39 pm
 

Slive: SEC 'working on' 13 and 14-team schedules

North and South divisions or Mizzou, TAMU, and Vandy in the West and Bama and AU in the East are horrendous ideas.  Why turn so many years of tradition upside down?

Nailed it.  Well said and TRUE!




Since: Sep 18, 2006
Posted on: October 29, 2011 12:37 pm
 

Slive: SEC 'working on' 13 and 14-team schedules

@SEC FAN While I agree with most of what you say, I don't see Mizzou going to the east. It wouldn't be logical...or fair...to make Mizzou travel so far for every eastern division game. If the SEC isn't ready to accept the repercussions involved with inviting Mizzou, then they should patiently wait for a better geographical choice. It's kinda like making a new friend and inviting him over for a steak dinner...then feeding him a peanut butter sandwich, just because he's never been over before.

Logical?  In 2011 distances are not an issue, especially when one is looking at the alternatives of upsetting the proverbial apple cart.  What is logical in changing the make-up of the SEC that has been in place for 20 years so the new team is placed in the West?  There is no way to easily accomplish anything close to keeping it as is and moving MO to the East.

You are mistaken if you think traveling to East division locations is all that different than going to West division teams.  For instance, going to S. CAR, the 2nd furthest East team, is 50 miles further way than going to TX AM, 802 miles away.  UK and VANDY are closer to MO than the 2nd closest West division team, OLE MS.  UGA is closer than AUB.  UT is closer than ALA and only 35 more miles away than MS ST.

Only FLA is further away by an appreciable amount, 1008 miles away.  When it is all said and done, a trip to Gainesville and Columbia will be no different than a trip to College Station or Baton Rouge.

Repercussions?  That is a joke.  What about the repercussions of moving existing teams to the other division?

Face it, reports state that ALA and UT are not going to vote for MO if there is any hint of their permanent crossover game going away. Your example pales in comparison to the repercussions that would happen if the movement of existing teams to the other division.  MO is asking to join the SEC.  They cant dictate the terms and what division they end up in.  It is a slap in the face to think that ANY SEC team has to do anything but play an additional division team going forward. 



Since: Nov 16, 2006
Posted on: October 29, 2011 12:36 pm
 

Slive: SEC 'working on' 13 and 14-team schedules

It seems interesting that Missouri is begging to get in, then telling you how to run your league.  They want in, but once in, you MUST place them in the west, have yearly match-ups with Arkansas and A&M, move Alabama and Auburn, and believe the the University of Missouri is Gods gift to college athletics.   Not much to ask.



Since: Sep 19, 2011
Posted on: October 29, 2011 11:18 am
 

Slive: SEC 'working on' 13 and 14-team schedules

@SEC FAN While I agree with most of what you say, I don't see Mizzou going to the east. It wouldn't be logical...or fair...to make Mizzou travel so far for every eastern division game. If the SEC isn't ready to accept the repercussions involved with inviting Mizzou, then they should patiently wait for a better geographical choice. It's kinda like making a new friend and inviting him over for a steak dinner...then feeding him a peanut butter sandwich, just because he's never been over before.



Since: Jan 8, 2007
Posted on: October 29, 2011 11:13 am
 

Slive: SEC 'working on' 13 and 14-team schedules

Agreed, SEC FAN!  


While a case can be made geographically for Mizzou to go into the West, look at the impact on traditional and valued rivalries throughout the conference that would occur.  Not to mention the major consternation among hoards of fans.  Plus MO borders two East teams, TN and KY, and only one West team, Arkansas, which in and of itself, it not that strong of an argument, but just an observation that has been made previously.   

North and South divisions or Mizzou, TAMU, and Vandy in the West and Bama and AU in the East are horrendous ideas.  Why turn so many years of tradition upside down? 

I don't think the SEC presidents or Slive would go for it.  The B1G and the PAC-12 are are not set up in geographic perfection either.  MO to the East would be the least disruptive and the SEC would still be more geographically aligned than the aforementioned conferences.





   




Since: Sep 18, 2006
Posted on: October 29, 2011 9:09 am
 

Slive: SEC 'working on' 13 and 14-team schedules

It just seems to make sense to keep the current cross divisional games as they are, if possible. 

No truer words have been spoken.  The way to accomplish that is to put MO in the East.  Look at some rivalries that fall by the wayside with the move you proposed:  AUB/LSU, ALA/ARK, ALA/MS ST, AUB/MS, AUB/ARK, VANDY/UK, and the one that the entire country is lookig forward to this year,

ALA/LSU

Again, why the obsession with putting MO in the WEST?  MO is not even in the SEC, yet there are many people doing back flips to accommodate them.  Im all for them coming into the SEC but ALA and UT have it right.  Why in the world do we even entertain turning upside down the SEC as it is and has been for 20 years all to put MO in the WEST.  That makes no sense at all.



Since: Sep 19, 2011
Posted on: October 29, 2011 1:51 am
 

Slive: SEC 'working on' 13 and 14-team schedules

I missed a few posts before I made my last, but Vandy to the West seems like a very logical remedy. The only question is what would happen with permanent cross divisional games...I speculate:


Vandy - Tennessee
Kentucky - Miss State
LSU - Florida
Arkansas - South Carolina
UGA - Texas A&M
Bama - Ole Miss
Auburn - Mizzou


It just seems to make sense to keep the current cross divisional games as they are, if possible. 



Since: Sep 19, 2011
Posted on: October 29, 2011 1:13 am
 

Slive: SEC 'working on' 13 and 14-team schedules

Ole Miss fans will readily tell you that the most awaited game every year is not the Egg Bowl, but the LSUx game. I'm sure you'd hear a lot of grief coming out of Oxford...and I'd assume you'd hear some coming from Baton Rouge, if that rivalry ended.

I honestly don't see how East/West or North/South will work out and keep everyone happy.  I personally believe the SEC made a mistake by not inviting WVU over Mizzou. West Virginia's geographical location, the competitive balance between divisions, and the spirit of the fans would have been a better fit for the SEC. The SEC went for bigger televi$ion market$ and academics (the latter is respectable).  Now...off my soapbox and back to division possibilities.


I say do away with divisions based on location, altogether. Just maintain traditional rivalries and make Division I and Division II. Then they can do whatever they want without upsetting people that have a hard time letting a team that's farther west *cou-mizzou-gh* go to the eastern division.  


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